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Addiction  

kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
8/6/2016 9h46

    Citer effer2910:
    Un regard très interessant sur les toxicomanies qui offre des perspectives sans doute plus efficaces que la simple prohibition.

    A very interesting look at addiction that offers prospects probably more effective than the simple prohibition.
Treating people as if they had value, and an equal share in our society, won't solve all our problems, but it's a good starting point. Prohibition just doesn't work.

Le traitement des personnes comme si elles ont eu la valeur, et une part égale dans notre société, ne résoudra pas tous nos problèmes, mais elle est un bon point de départ. La prohibition juste ne fonctionne pas.

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Not_here2meet 56F
3843 messages
8/6/2016 11h08

This is some great insight into addiction. I've seen a few TED talks about addiction that had close to the same idea. From what I've gathered, addiction is a social and cultural problem, and until those social and cultural problems are eradicated, there will be addicts.

In this world, it seems, to me, that often we are praising the apathetic (Trump anyone?). It seems, to me, that this whole "look out for yourself and don't care about your fellow man" has insidiously poisoned our society.

Thank you for writing this, I learned something and I got to know a little more about you.

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kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
8/6/2016 11h41

    Citer Not_here2meet:
    This is some great insight into addiction. I've seen a few TED talks about addiction that had close to the same idea. From what I've gathered, addiction is a social and cultural problem, and until those social and cultural problems are eradicated, there will be addicts.

    In this world, it seems, to me, that often we are praising the apathetic (Trump anyone?). It seems, to me, that this whole "look out for yourself and don't care about your fellow man" has insidiously poisoned our society.

    Thank you for writing this, I learned something and I got to know a little more about you.
Thanks for that comment. I know that having been a user doesn't make me an expert. Addiction is complicated, and not all of us are created equal when it comes to addictions. But since some attempt at social equity is the right thing to do for so many reasons, it's at the least a solid foundation to begin from in treating addicts.

You're right- there is a frighteningly large constituency for social Darwinism in America. This goes against the grain for me. We ought to be caring for one another and trying to see to it that everyone has a chance to succeed.

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kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
8/6/2016 18h37

Drinking has never been much of an issue for me. I do drink more now that I'm retired, because I don't have to get up in the morning unless I feel like it. Sigh. I should probably drink less anyhow.

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LemonSqueezy7116 52F
452 messages
8/6/2016 23h10

I've had friends who went cold turkey for a variety of reasons and successfully quit. Only to take it up again when something unpleasant happens. Not sure if that actually counts. I think you need a strong motivation to permanently break any addiction and I'm Glad you've found that!

Myself - I've never touched a cigarette in my life.


kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
9/6/2016 12h11

You're quite right- quitting is one thing, staying quit is another.

I wish I could say the same thing- that I had never touched a cigarette.

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kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
9/6/2016 14h06

    Citer Apollorising2056:
    Great write and that's why I support you my great writing friend!
Thanks eMAN!

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BeccaLuvs 61F
20895 messages
13/6/2016 10h02

Wow, you wrote an excellent Sym on "Addiction" K! And congrats to you giving up the nicotine! Strange as it is, but I have read somewhere that smoking is the most difficult to give up and stop and sadly almost all heavy smokers wait till they forced to. As you said - "if only you'd done it ages ago"?! Plus, there is the - surely smoking, if it helps with stress is beneficial cos stress can kill you?!

Guess in ths crazy mixed-up world we live in - turning to false aid is something that happens to so many of us.

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kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
13/6/2016 11h20

    Citer BeccaLuvs:
    Wow, you wrote an excellent Sym on "Addiction" K! And congrats to you giving up the nicotine! Strange as it is, but I have read somewhere that smoking is the most difficult to give up and stop and sadly almost all heavy smokers wait till they forced to. As you said - "if only you'd done it ages ago"?! Plus, there is the - surely smoking, if it helps with stress is beneficial cos stress can kill you?!

    Guess in ths crazy mixed-up world we live in - turning to false aid is something that happens to so many of us.
Thank you Becca! I wouldn't say that say that stuff that makes us feel better is necessarily false support, even if it harms us in the end. It appears to be that way when we're no longer using it, but having our pleasure centers stimulated is pretty heady stuff and hard to ignore! I can laugh about it- because I lived, so far- but it's a powerful draw to get reliable short term relief from what ails us. It took a relentless anti-smoking campaign quite a few years to make headway against tobacco, especially with the stonewalling of the tobacco lobby. And in many countries they haven't even begun that fight.

And still I wish I'd had the strength to quit years ago, now that I'm feeling the result. Hindsight is torture, isn't it?

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kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
19/6/2016 10h25

You're welcome. Thank you for reading it! Please come back soon, and often.

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stardust81937 87H
8340 messages
25/6/2016 9h31

Men and women who've been able to break the tremendous pull of drugs once and for all, have learned a secret of life that will stay with them for all the remaining years of their lives. All of us humans have things to learn in this life and the ability to pull free of things that harm our bodies is probably foremost in that learning curve.

For myself, Smoking and Drinking were my enemies in the first half of life. I needed to give both up together in order to give up smoking cigarettes-- which was the most difficult thing I've ever had to do... Stopping alcohol was not too difficult for me. Other drugs have never had any pull on me.

a fine post..


kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
25/6/2016 10h18

    Citer stardust81937:
    Men and women who've been able to break the tremendous pull of drugs once and for all, have learned a secret of life that will stay with them for all the remaining years of their lives. All of us humans have things to learn in this life and the ability to pull free of things that harm our bodies is probably foremost in that learning curve.

    For myself, Smoking and Drinking were my enemies in the first half of life. I needed to give both up together in order to give up smoking cigarettes-- which was the most difficult thing I've ever had to do... Stopping alcohol was not too difficult for me. Other drugs have never had any pull on me.

    a fine post..
Thanks, Stardust. I see it just as you do.

In the grand scheme of things my own addictions don't count for much. But who gives a shit about the grand scheme when he's in trouble? We all have our problems and they're immensely important to us and to the ones who care about us. If we can try to treat our troubled citizens as if they belong, as if they have value, just like we'd want our own loved ones to be treated, we'd be well ahead of the game.

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MALESforus 52H/49F

30/6/2016 8h30

Interesting


kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
30/6/2016 9h36

Thanks.

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scoupe42 60H

3/7/2016 13h52

My friend you been through a lot, by having an addict. But your mind and will was make stronger than the addiction!


kzoopair 73H/71F
25831 messages
3/7/2016 15h24

    Citer scoupe42:
    My friend you been through a lot, by having an addict. But your mind and will was make stronger than the addiction!
Thanks for that, scoupe. I appreciate it. There was some luck in it too. I had other options and was able to figure them out. So many people don't have anything else. I wouldn't change that part of my past though. I think it did make me stronger.

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